ANOVA Gage R&R – Part 3

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  • AnonymousOctober 31, 2012 Reply

    Even AIAG in latest MSA versions (3 and 4) promotes the Anova method over the range method, and in semiconductor industry we adopted Anova method in 90's as it gave better insight.   Nice newsletter overview of issues.   JMP software recent versions have AIAG methods and Wheeler EMP methods, and appropriate graphs for each.  The old excel spreadsheets with range method only are dying out slowly.  With modern automated gages, no operator error is seen in many studies (other than gross errors like selection of wrong gage recipe, or mangling of parts being sampled.).   So instead of %R&R with operators for reproducibility, we use multiple gages for studying matching of gages.That leads to some interesting economic issues of using frequent calibrations, vs offsets based on "golden gauge" with "golden parts"  which can be a long story.  MSA is a deep rathole to try to cover generically with any canned routine.  NIST uncertainty methods are a parallel (not replacement) toolset that could be covered in future newsletters.

  • Ben CJanuary 11, 2016 Reply

    Great text, thank you so much for the insight.Small correction needed: the formula used for demonstrating that standard deviations are not addiditive still has a "squared" symbol on the standard deviation total. 

    • billJanuary 11, 2016 Reply

      Thanks for catching that.  Proof once again that 100% inspection does not prevent defects.  I corrected that text.

  • JoeAugust 30, 2016 Reply

    In Table 1, the final value is  shown as 1.5. On another page, the value is shown as 1.55. Run ANOVA on the data in this page and you'll get different results from what is shown here. Run ANOVA where the final value is 1.55 and you'll get the results shown in this page.

  • billAugust 30, 2016 Reply

    Thanks Joe.  I corrected the last value to be 1.55 as it should be.

  • VeronikaFebruary 14, 2017 Reply

    Hi, I would like to ask, how I could calculate Estimate of Variance for Equipment (0,0468), Operator (0,0512) and Part (0,0512), when I remove the interaction. In part 2 it is written, that the interaction is rolled into the equipment variation, but I can´t get the mentioned values for Estimate of Variance. Could you help?

    • billFebruary 14, 2017 Reply

      You use the expected mean square equations that are given in Part 2.  What values are you getting?

      • VeronikaFebruary 15, 2017 Reply

        Thanks a lot, now is clear for me

      • VeronikaFebruary 15, 2017 Reply

        Hi, I have another question about calculation. In these articles there is mentioned p value calculated by software. It is possible to calculate this item without using of special software? I tried to use f.dist.rt function from excel.  For p value – Operator by Part – I use =F.DIST.RT(0,43;8;30) with result 0,9964. It is my calculation ok? If yes, how I can set the degrees of freedom for calculation of other p values (Operator, Part)? Could you help also with this? Thanks

        • billFebruary 15, 2017 Reply

          You can use FDIST(F value, degrees of freedom in numerator, degrees of freedom in denominator).  F value for operator by part is determined by MS Operator by part/MS Equipment so FDIST(0.142, 8, 30).  F for part by MS Part/MS Operator by Part so FDIST(889.458, 4, 8).  F for Operator by MS Operator/MS Operator by Part so FDIST(100.322, 2, 8)

          • VeronikaFebruary 20, 2017 Reply


      • GuiziNovember 16, 2017 Reply

        Hi Bill! I'm from Brazil and I read all about R&R Anova here. I didn't understand when you said "You use the expected mean square equations that are given in Part 2". It's mean that I should to use all the equations, as they are, without the source Operators*parts? Because I tried but didn't work. I can't found 0.0468 for the Estimate of Variance for Equipment. Obrigado!   

    • SathyaNovember 25, 2018 Reply

      I’m unable to understand how these numbers, Estimate of Variance for Equipment (0,0468), Operator (0,0512) and Part (0,0512 were derived in Table 4. Referring to Part 2, the interaction is already 0.000 in the equations. So the results would be same as Table 3, isn’t it? What am I missing?

      • billNovember 25, 2018 Reply

        Look at Table 2.  You can see the interaction term in that table.  It has 8 degrees of freedom and the SS is 0.065.  Since the interaction is not significant and is removed, these values are added to the values for the equipment.  This changes the ANOVA table (not shown in the publication). This changes the values used to caculate the % of variance.  Please let me know if you need more information.

        • Steve270February 24, 2021 Reply

          Yes, I also am having trouble following how the values in Table 4 are derived.  Is it possible to explain that process in more detail?

          • billFebruary 25, 2021 Reply

            The operator*Part intereaction is not included the analysis, it becomes part of the equipment vartiation.  

  • Ashok August 14, 2017 Reply

    Dear Bill,Could you please share any example where GRR is applied for two same machines with N number of Operators and K number of Parts. Any LINK will also work.Thanks & RegardsAshok

    • billAugust 14, 2017 Reply

      I would take a look at Two-Factor EMP studies in Dr. Wheeler's book Evaluating the Measurement Process (EMP III).  He has a chapter that shows how to analyze a test method used on two different instruments.  Now, if you just want to compare the two instruments, you can use the two instruments in place of appraisers and do a normal Gage R&R Analysis.

  • kuldeep December 3, 2018 Reply

    i need to find the value of standards (k1,k2) if i would take the trial by using 4 operators and 5 trials             

    • billDecember 3, 2018 Reply

      How many parts are you using?

  • VictorDecember 29, 2018 Reply

    Hello, Bill! I think my question is probably foolish but it haunts my mind for a couple of months. Why total variation calculated by ANOVA (0.896) differs from sample variance (0.735)? Is there some relation between them?

    • billDecember 29, 2018 Reply

      Hello, it is not a foolish question at all.  It is because of this is a designed experiement where you replicate things –  same operator testing same part multiple times.  So, the the total variance calculated by ANOVA is different from the sample variance.  If you don't worry abou the operators and simply put the results in a table by part number and run the ANOVA in excel, you will see that the total variance from ANOVA is the sample variance – that is because you are not worried about anything but the part.  Hope this helps.

  • ConnorFebruary 27, 2020 Reply

    Does anybody know why only a Part-Operator interaction is included? Are the Equipment-Part and Equipment-Appraiser interactions assumed to be zero or am I misunderstanding something fundamental about ANOVA GRR Analysis?

  • Jesse MorrisJune 12, 2021 Reply

    in the MSA where I find a table where it indicates the% Study Var and% Tolerance of acceptable of the Anova R&R study?

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